There are a lot of reasons you’d rent or buy a cinema lens instead of filming videos with a still photography lens. In this video we discuss why. Watch the other video on the LensProToGo channel » https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fvi0UOOi4lk
(Note: Based on comments/feedback, I’ve changed the title from $150 to $1,000. For sample shots we used the $150 Canon 40mm “pancake” lens, not the 35mm L in the thumbnail.)
In it we compared the $2,000 GH5 to the $20,000 RED Scarlett-W.
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My recommendation, if you really need common features of cinema lenses and aren't working on a Hollywood production budget, go for Samyang/Rokinon cinema lenses. High quality for the extremely affordable price.
If you wanna have nice, smooth, on point focus you will always need a focus puller. I knoooow everybody does his own focus in the non professional movie business but focus is not only about shifting focus from A to B. An if you wanna have a focus puller you need cinema lenses with the distances on the barrel. Cinema lenses also allow smooth iris shifts from one stop to another stop when getting from inside to the outside. Yes, you don't always have to film wide open. You can close the stop and film at a stop of 4 or 5.6 or 8. 😲😲
Super informative and accurate, love it! Just one thing that is subjective, its not Boh-ka (like boca burger), its Boh-Kay. It's a Japanese word, and there is only one way to say it. That's not even with the subtle accent. Just like Crayon isn't Crown or Water isn't Wah-tah. Sorry I actually loved this video, renting cinema lenses is my go to.
우와 삼양렌즈다!!!!!!!!!! 짱 !! ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 반갑다! 삼양렌즈 총판에 가서 렌즈좀 직구하면 안되냐고 쪼르곤 했는데 반갑구먼 삼양렌즈 홍보해줘야지
Using Rokinon f5.6 area, there is little difference from other lenses, but in full open aperture, lens diffraction degrades performance.
그래도 거짓말은 못하겠다. ㅋㅋ
Every true video camera from $200 to $20K has a parfocal lens system. Why can't/don't they make an inexpensive (Not $40 Grand) Parfocal lens for DSLR/Mirrorless cameras if they are so good for taking Video.
Je croyais bêtement que l'allais pouvoir comparer les images obtenues avec les deux objectifs. Erreur ! ces jeunes gens semblent ignorer à quoi sert un objectif, sinon à montrer le fonctionnement d'un follow focus (dont on se sert peu, d'ailleurs).
You said, "On a cinema lens you'll get less, or next to no, focus breathing..."
You should probably actually test that, because it's not always true. The Zeiss CP2 50mm compact prime, for instance, "breathes" quite allot - even more than the Canon 50 F/1.2L photography lens. But it also gives you more precise focus and far better color rendering.
I have a GH4 and I've recently rented several lenses
Sigma 20mm f/1.4 DG Nikon mount used on speedbooster on my GH4
Sigma 18-35 1.8 Nikon mount used on speedbooster on my GH4
Veydra 16 mm MFT native mount
Rokinon 24 mm cine lens, Nikon mount used on Speedbooster on GH4
I understand the point of cine lenses, such as the veydra and the rokinon as far as follow focus is concerned. They do behave like true cine lenses. But unfortunately after an intensive 3 day testing, I can testify that the two Sigmas are superior in image quality, in any aspect of image quality, to the Veydra and the Rokinon.
So for somebody who simply can't buy a set of cine lenses at $ 3000 per lens, if I'm going to spend less than $ 1000 per lens I simply can't justify to by a Veydra or a Rokinon after discovering how amazing the Sigmas are! Sure, they don't have a focus system that allow the hook up of a follow focus system,but at my level in my game and finance I must go for the better image quality and just adapt as far as focus.
Do you agree with me that the quality of the image is much more important that how the lenses focus? I must say that it's very easy to manually focus with the two Sigmas, you just have to do it by hand and it doesn't look professional but I simply can't give up the quality I've seen in the Sigma 20 mm 1.4 for a lesser lens that would have a more "cine" look.
Any suggestions anybody?
i shoot with sony, canon and nikon bodies and they are all great cameras that give excellent results, however my sony SLT A mount camera bodies have two major features that lead the pack, first the Electronic viewfinder that allows you to see the finished product before you actually shoot the image which opens the door for many many other features and second is the body stabilization...........i shoot for pleasure....
A cine-lens doesn't have better glass than a top still lens, you're paying for ease of operation, mechanics and build-quality. However, get some Rokinons or some Kowa Prominar primes or SLR Magic if you work in micro 3/4 (GH4, GH5-5s). Those lenses are all under a 1000$, and give about the same quality results than some of the most expensive cinema lenses, or at least 90% of that result. The Kowa's especially are a *steal* as they easily double-up as still photo lenses.
So yeah cine-lenses are worthing it, try to pull focus with a still lens... and no, they're not all super-expensive!
there is information that is 2nd nature to some of us and relative to others. One isn't better, it's relative or it isn't. When people take the time and effort to offer information to the general youtube audience it's always best not to expose the size of one's asshole in the direction of the mirror with a derogatory comment about "story telling." Use the information or change the channel. I haven't gone through and read all the comments but I'm betting the information offered here was useful to some people who are greatly appreciative for it. If that's not you and rather than moving on you chose to make a snarky ass comment, then please allow me to invite you to go fuck yourself. Thanks Caleb.
What is your 1st AC going to say when you show up with an L series canon lens that he cant throw his FIZ on. Cinema lenses ARE worth it, and the standard if you are a professional. Plus, on higher end Cameras, your L series glass starts to look like garbage.
Josh's Films: I didn't know that. Good information because I've been debating between the two on which to rent for a potential film project (and possible purchase in the future), in which the Canon Cine Primes are more expensive.
Hey Caleb, thank you for posting this video! I own a C100 mk1 and I'm hesitating whether to buy a canon zoom lens 24-70 f2,8 or the rokinon lens bundle (24, 35, 50 and 85 mm T1,5). I know that comparing a zoom lens vs. a prime lens is not quite fair or appropriate, but this is what we can do with our budget. Both options cost almost the same! We shoot mainly documentaries and corporate videos but we're thinking of shooting short films -and why not? a feature film- with this gear too. Since I know that you also own a C100, what would be your advise?
It depends what you wanna shoot with it. Filmmaking? Definitely get the Rokinons. A T stop is the equivalent measurement of an F stop, but way more accurate. F stops are just evaluation of how much light actually gets in, and usually, it's less than what the manufacturer write on the box.
If you shoot primarily corporate, then get the zoom. In fact I would recommend a 70-200mm for corporate work. But, it is less versatile for clips and barely ever useable for cinematography.
So the 24-70mm seems nice, but based on my own experience in corporate work, you do need longer focal lengths.
They are super minor things and if you are an amatuer film maker or just getting started there is absolutely no reason why you should be spending for the best of the best.
You'd be surprised some of the shit you see even in AAA movies that is shot with a 5d mark ii and standard L lenses. (Even the non L lenses can do some excellent stuff)
It's all about making due with what you got and taking advantage of the strengths of the limitations.
Steven Spielberg knew CGI didn't look good in daylight scenarious, so he did what worked best
Did a whole video with no actual visual comparison between the two- fail. Just a bunch of info of how come the more expensive lens is better (because of all the little specs and details) but didn't actually show us footage comparing the two lenses.
+Jay Lee There are sample shots from each throughout. For focus breathing, chromatic aberration, and more. We test and then could assume the cinema lens was better quality, so we instead focused the video on the feature differences.
I hate it when people say this. If you think the story is the only important thing then go write a book. A film is so much more than just words on a paper, everything needs to come together, the cinematography, the lighting, audio, set design, wardrobe, special and visual effects, and even the story. If anything is off in a film then the whole thing can be shit
Talking and talking and talking and not actually showing the difference between the two in the real world or by showing actual footage or side by side comparison! I could have just read an article as well. Doing this video is useless.
+Hassen Charef Hey Hassen, you’re not the first to mention wanting more side by side comparisons of the quality and for future videos I will definitely include more of those than we did.
My approach to this video was more on the features and differences for what it is like to actually use a still vs. cinema lens. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
This is kinde of true but You missed most important thing in much higher priced line up and it is "quality of picture" you get from it. You see on this particular video is so much bluur and yes I mean bluur not bokeh. This is cause by lens choice. It is the same with color reproduction, contrast, dynamic etc :)
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